dolboed: (tibet)
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История, конечно, не знает сослагательного наклонения.
Но, спустя 70 с лишним лет, никому не возбраняется фантазировать.

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Date: 2012-06-22 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schwarze-pferd.livejournal.com
Первый нах, а теперь в опрос пойду
upd диковатый опрос на самом деле... у меня рука не поднимается в нем участвовать
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Date: 2012-06-22 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 0rc.livejournal.com
умерло бы 27 000 000 в другой части планеты.

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Date: 2012-06-22 12:53 pm (UTC)
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Сама постановка вопроса некорректна, если взять задачи Гитлера и тех, кто спонсировал его армию

Date: 2012-06-22 01:04 pm (UTC)
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т<<ех, кто спонсировал его армию

...Госдеп?

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Date: 2012-06-22 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] al-alani.livejournal.com
В пятерке.

При всей очевидности "правильных" ответов, большинство голосующих думает иначе. Странно.
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Date: 2012-06-22 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darth-mozg.livejournal.com
Не вижу очевидности ни в одном из ответов.

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Date: 2012-06-22 12:56 pm (UTC)
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Если Прескотт Буш не финансировал бы партию Гитлера, была бы ночь длинных ножей, и вообще Вторая мировая? "История, конечно, не знает сослагательного наклонения.
Но, спустя 70 с лишним лет, никому не возбраняется фантазировать."

Date: 2012-06-22 12:57 pm (UTC)
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Я об том же!

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проиграл бы,даже в союзе со сталиным проиграл бы.

Date: 2012-06-22 01:17 pm (UTC)
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Все бы проиграли.

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Это историки не терпят, а истории нохрену.

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Date: 2012-06-22 01:16 pm (UTC)
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Е2-Е4
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Date: 2012-06-22 01:00 pm (UTC)
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Гитлер начал войну на пару со Сталиным.

Сталин (вспомним недавние 08\08\08) обязательно пошёл бы дальше Польши, что он, собственно, затем и сделал.

Вовлечение в войну пассионарных США неминуемо вело к поражению Гитлера. Советская же оккупация была направлена не на освобождение народов Европы, а на истребление поглядевших на Европу советских солдат.
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Date: 2012-06-22 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] im27th.livejournal.com
Посследний пассионарий в США умер в XIX веке. В XX США всё более субпассионируется.

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Сталин напал бы первым

Date: 2012-06-22 02:30 pm (UTC)
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... на Америку.

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Date: 2012-06-22 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poshtarboba.livejournal.com
если бы жили дружно - кто знает, может жигуль был бы копией БМВ, а не Фиата...

Date: 2012-06-22 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geeksogen.livejournal.com
Москвичу опелевский первоисточник недолго помогал, так и проблема автотаза вовсе не в Фиате ))

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Date: 2012-06-22 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rbelkin.livejournal.com
ПУТИН - ПРЕЗИДЕНТ, ГИТЛЕР - ЧМО!!!
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Date: 2012-06-22 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geeksogen.livejournal.com
Доставляет, что они одним списком у Вас идут.

Date: 2012-06-22 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bor-odin.livejournal.com
Без сомнения, Сталин бы напал на Германию и результат был бы непредсказуемый.
Если бы Гитлер не напал 22 июня на Советский Союз... Сталин на него напал бы все равно. По другому не могло быть.

Date: 2012-06-22 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] niova.livejournal.com
Гитлер спас галактико...

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Date: 2012-06-22 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolboeb.livejournal.com
К счастью, ни Сталин, ни Берия не были моими прадедами.

Мой дед прошёл всю войну, имел ранения, награждён орденами и медалями.

Шестеро братьев другого моего деда сгинули в московском ополчении.
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Date: 2012-06-22 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] exemok.livejournal.com
Стоит добавить вопрос, чтобы стало с евреями.

Date: 2012-06-22 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solevator.livejournal.com
А также цыганами, коммунистами, геями, славянами и прочими унтерменшами ЕВПОЧЯ.

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Date: 2012-06-22 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maxdz.livejournal.com
Сралин бы напал первым. И было бы сейчас совковое рабство во всей Европе, до просторов Средиземноморья и Атлантики.

Date: 2012-06-22 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 4rex.livejournal.com
так оно, рабство, никуда не девалось по всей Европе )

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Date: 2012-06-22 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solevator.livejournal.com
Гитлер напал бы позже и выиграл Вторую мировую.

Date: 2012-06-22 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] im27th.livejournal.com
Ничё. Выиграет третью.

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Date: 2012-06-22 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] im27th.livejournal.com
Сталин бы не стал нападать и Гитлер бы всем надавал люлей.

А ваще у Гитлера изначально была хотелка поиметь СССР, так что вопрос неуместен.

Date: 2012-06-22 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quive.livejournal.com
Чой-то Сталин бы да не стал бы?

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Date: 2012-06-22 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vielghelm.livejournal.com
По-любому - Гитлер капут. Он не правильно понял Ницше. А скорые выводы - ведут к еще более быстрому поражению!

Date: 2012-06-22 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bigmarlin.livejournal.com
Как только стало очевидно,что Блицкриг не получился- шансы немцев стали катастрофически быстро падать.
А как только англосаксы поняли,что нацисты увязли в войне на истощение ресурсов- качество их помощи Союзу стало последовательно возрастать. С этого момента исход противостояния уже однозначно был предрешен.
Гитлер,поняв это,попытался использовать последний шанс- отрезать нефтеносный Кавказ, но не смог сконцентрировать достаточно сил.

Успех или неуспех авантюры Гитлера зависел не от сроков, а от того смогли бы русские оправиться от первого удара и перевести войну в затяжную фазу или нет. Скорее всего бы в любом случае смогли и, в конечном итоге, победили.

По всем канонам тогдашней геостратегии нацистов Гитлер бы все равно напал на СССР. Если бы это случилось позже- ему бы осуществить свои планы было еще труднее т.к. Красная Армия успела бы закончить свое переформирование.

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Date: 2012-06-22 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skydrinker.livejournal.com
провокационно, конечно, сейчас набегут кургиняно-боты

Date: 2012-06-22 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 717s.livejournal.com
Сколько однако дегенератов, начитавшихся госдеповских статеек.

Date: 2012-06-22 02:41 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-06-22 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fima-blayshits.livejournal.com
Добавлю, если бы это была не фашистская Германия, а США или Великобритания к примеру (при прочих равных условиях) СССР бы не стало думаю максимум через полгода. имхо

Date: 2012-06-22 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bigmarlin.livejournal.com
Так и видится картина как английские экспедиционные дивизии, в кол-ве 12 штук, покоряют пространства СССР.

А американцы, форсировав Берингов пролив, стремительно продвигаются в глубины Якутии при поддержке авианосной группы, сцукованы этакие))

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Date: 2012-06-22 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] exemok.livejournal.com
Давай может тогда лучше начнем фантазировать про первую мировую войну?
Если бы Германия победила в ней, что вряд ли Гитлер пришел бы к власти.

Date: 2012-06-23 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jack-soloway.livejournal.com
Предлагаю вам развить эту животрепещущую тему отдельным постом!

Date: 2012-06-22 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filin.livejournal.com
Если бы да кабы да во рту росли грибы?

А если бы Гитлер решил сначала добить англичан и только потом браться за русских - он, похоже, вполне мог бы победить и тех и других. К счастью Европы, русских он сильно недооценил.

Date: 2012-06-22 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iggorrs.livejournal.com
Англию победить было невозможно. Ее мощь на море была несравнима с немецкой, а потому и завоевать ОСТРОВ Англию Гитлер не мог бы.

А только что новый фильм Пивоварова по НТВ показали, там был вырезанный при Хрущеве эпизод из довоенного фильма "Киров". Товарищ Киров говорит буквально следующее: "Посмотреть бы на нашу страну лет через 20 после хорошей войны. На ее пространство из 30-40 республик. Черт его знает, так хочется жить и жить". Поскольку последняя фраза выбита на памятнике Кирову в Ростове на Дону, делаю вывод, что все высказывание - цитата из реального Кирова.
Так что вариант с тем, что Сталин бы напал, если бы не Гитлер, становится просто-таки исторически верным.
А итог был бы, кстати, тот же самый. Те же потери под 20 млн, та же антигитлеровская коалиция. Тот же раздел Германии. Только воевали бы чуть меньше. Не 4 года, а три или два с половиной
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Date: 2012-06-22 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] engineer-kpi.livejournal.com
Если не Вторая мировая, так "Пожар Мировой Революции".

Выбирай не хочу.

Date: 2012-06-22 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] partija-hobby.livejournal.com
ВСЁ РАВНО ПОЖАР, КАК СЕЙЧАС

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Date: 2012-06-22 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zebroff.livejournal.com
Читал воспоминания ветеранов и почти все рассказывали, что приближение войны с немцами чувствовалось в воздухе. Были ли у Сталина планы по нападению теперь ни кто точно не скажет. И хорошо что Сталин не напал первым - иначе мы были бы в этом случае очень и очень сомнительными победителями.

Date: 2012-06-23 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xaxa.livejournal.com
есть хороший фильм - тимур и его команда , там даже не предчувствие , всё дышит войной , хотя враг ещё не определен , но желание хоть с кем то повоевать вылазит из каждого кадра , самый милитаристический фильм .

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