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Date: 2005-07-12 09:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ardalion.livejournal.com
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?id=6348&issue=2005-07-09
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Date: 2005-07-12 09:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kcmamu.livejournal.com
http://verbumlogos.blogspot.com/

Date: 2005-07-12 09:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pe3yc.livejournal.com
Там несколько фактических ошибок.

Например, во Франции безработных не три миллиона, как утверждает автор, а 10.2%, что при населении более 60 миллионов даёт как минимум вдвое большую цифру.

Date: 2005-07-12 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arkhip.livejournal.com
Процент безработных считают не от всего населения, а от экономически активного

Там имеется в ввиду

Date: 2005-07-12 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] igorm.livejournal.com
немного другое. Я мельком читал что новый французский премьер придумал какую-то программу общественно полезных работ для безработных, и собирается таким образом трудоустроить половину, то есть как раз три миллиона. Что уже пытались делать в Англии лейбористские премьеры пол и четверть века назад с плачевными результатами.

Date: 2005-07-12 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pe3yc.livejournal.com
А, ну тогда отбой.

Date: 2005-07-12 09:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apredeus.livejournal.com
"Путину следовало бы преподать урок и пригласить вместо него Китай, в котором есть, по крайней мере, признаки серьезной экономики"
чертов сноб 8) как бы через 20 лет где-нибудь еще, кроме Китая, остались эти признаки

Re: Там имеется в ввиду

Date: 2005-07-12 09:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pali-ka.livejournal.com
А до Англии 70 лет назад это применил один малоизвестный немецкий канцлер - безработные тогда построили первые автобаны, чем сообственно и убили двух мух - и люди заняты, и государству польза.
Правда, сей государственный деятель имел манию величия, но это уже другая история.

Я вспомнил про Англию

Date: 2005-07-12 09:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] igorm.livejournal.com
потому что сам автор ее вспоминает.

Date: 2005-07-12 09:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gorazdo.livejournal.com
Иллюстрация чудная.

Я ошибся про половину

Date: 2005-07-12 09:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] igorm.livejournal.com
там общее число безработные около 3 миллионов.

Date: 2005-07-12 10:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jbaruch.livejournal.com
Пасиб :)
Получил массу удовольствия :)

Date: 2005-07-12 10:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolboeb.livejournal.com
Безработица измеряется в процентах не от населения, а от трудоспосбобной его части.

Date: 2005-07-12 10:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pe3yc.livejournal.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/dolboeb/578906.html?thread=11067738#t11067738

Date: 2005-07-12 10:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mtyukanov.livejournal.com
Для Spectator и Telegraph подобный стиль обычно резковат, но по сути это вполне соответствует тому, что там обычно печатается в более мягкой форме. Ну а в Sun и, собственно, Daily Mail, чьим штатным колумнистом является автор -- обычное дело.
From: [identity profile] shosha.livejournal.com
общественных рабоот, аккурат апосля великой депресии, вроде бы результаты не плачевные

Спасибо за наводку !

Date: 2005-07-12 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] profi.livejournal.com
-- уже почти чувствуется запах разлагающегося Ширака --

Ай, класс ! Шендерович отдыхает.

Date: 2005-07-12 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 6finger.livejournal.com
Daily Mail это даже худший вариант газеты Sun про которую был написан незабываемый отрывок

Кончилась англофилия просто и быстро. Однажды Степа решил выяснить, чем живет народ его мечты, взял номер самой популярной британской газеты, «The Sun», и со словарем прочел его от корки до корки (если бы не мистическое совпадение с названием банка, его вряд ли хватило бы на такой подвиг). Дочитав последнюю страницу до конца, он понял, что больше не англофил.
Какое там. У него было чувство, что его только что заразили коровьим бешенством посредством анального изнасилования, но сразу же вылечили от него, отсосав вакуумным шлангом все мозги, на которые мог подействовать страшный вирус. Однако англофобом он тоже не стал – это подразумевало бы высокую степень эмоциональной вовлеченности, а она теперь отсутствовала начисто. Все было предельно скучно и предельно ясно, и снежные плечи отчизны казались куда привлекательнее, чем час назад (впрочем, Степа знал, что такое чувство обычно длится до первого к ним прикосновения). Степино отношение к Мюс, конечно, не пострадало – к этому времени он уже любил ее всерьез. Затронутой неожиданно оказалась другая фундаментальная константа. У него впервые появилось желание переименовать «Санбанк».

Date: 2005-07-12 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yurik.livejournal.com
A pointless, grotesque and quite repulsive act of grandstanding

SIMON HEFFER
1,182 words
9 July 2005
The Spectator
8
English
(c) The Spectator (1828) Limited 2005

POLITICS

The agenda for the G8 is now clear: economic revival through better trading conditions; the elimination of corruption; the humbling of dictators; possibly even regime change. Yes, most of the G8's member nations are in an almighty mess, and until they show the will to sort themselves out, you can forget their doing anything useful for the rest of humanity.

It is difficult, on the occasion of this utterly pointless, grotesquely expensive and quite repulsive act of grandstanding, to know for whom to feel more contempt: the Blairs, the Chiracs, the Schröders and the Berlusconis, or the silly little anti-capitalist plonkers parading themselves through Edinburgh rejoicing that they can chuck bricks through windows again.

The former, aware of what the public wants to hear, have made all the right noises about aid to Africa. They won't go beyond rhetoric, partly because of the overwhelming weight of their self-interest and partly because of African despots' disgusting reluctance to pursue policies that will end famine. The latter, never having progressed beyond Karl Marx for Dummies, still think capitalism is the enemy of progress, whereas we all know it is the enemy of poverty. Looking at some of the unwashed, benefit-scrounging morons being carted off by the police during the anarchists' beano in Edinburgh, one suspected that if the emaciated, fly-blown, Aids-ridden peasantry of Africa didn't exist, these people would just be dying to invent them.

It is, though, the most fundamental mark of their naivety that they should expect any change out of the bunch of crooks, charlatans, self-obsessives and twerps gathering in Gleneagles this week. I exempt President Bush from such criticism, since he showed exactly the right spirit in advance of the meeting. He promised to double debt relief provided the brutes who control much of Africa stop sticking their bloodstained hands in the till;

and he has ruled out any environmental measures, quite sensibly, because they would torpedo his superpower's economy. He only has to note the dire state of most of his fellow summiteers this week to see what would happen if the American economy started to impersonate that of the eurozone, Russia or Japan. Mr Bush runs the most successful nation on the planet, and by the exercise of naked self-interest will continue to do so. No wonder the likes of Chirac and Schröder hate him so much.

Meanwhile, these are troubled times for almost all of his colleagues. Mr Berlusconi keeps tugging the handle on the fruit machine that passes for the Italian economy, but it persistently refuses to register three oranges. For all the travails of France and Germany, the plight of Italy, with its dwindling population, struggling growth, culture of corruption and uncompetitiveness is the one that should command most attention. If the euro is imperilled, it will be by Italy's impending economic failure. Two coalition ministers from the Northern League have called for the lira to be reinstated, calls that Italy's foreign minister, Gianfranco Fini, rebutted with only mild credibility. With Mr Berlusconi facing elections next spring, this may well be his last G8.

The same is probably true of Mr Schröder, who has engineered an election this autumn, a year early because of the untenability of his administration. The cover of Stern magazine recently showed the German eagle choking on a euro coin in its gullet, flagging a story claiming that German political and business leaders were thinking the unthinkable and discussing whether the euro could survive. The recognition in Germany that the two main factors that would have shored up the euro — political integration and discipline ensured by an unbreached stability pact — are now wholly absent has fed this gloom; but not so much as have the five million unemployed, a level not seen since the glory days of the Weimar republic. About 56 per cent of Germans, when polled, say they want the mark back.

Date: 2005-07-12 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yurik.livejournal.com
And then there is France, the root of all Europe's problems. Mr Chirac, like his predecessor, has manipulated Germany's guilt about two world wars to bind the putative powerhouse of Europe into an economic suicide pact with its weaker neighbour. France's bloated, high-tax, high-spend 'social model' has killed growth and driven up the deficit. The new government of the vulpine Dominique de Villepin is trying interventionist means to get France's three million unemployed back to work. It looks and smells like Britain under Heath and Wilson, and it won't work for France any more than it did for them. France's commitment to the CAP may seem an act of self-interest of a Bush-like variety. Mr Bush's self-interest, however, is self-financed;

France's isn't. The average African, if he knew anything about it, would be horrified by the sight of exceedingly rich countries donating huge amounts of cash to the land of Dom Perignon, Chanel, Louis Vuitton and the Plâce Vendome. The anarchist plonkers would no doubt also say that this proves their case against capitalism. Of course, it doesn't: it proves the case against welfarism in all its forms. Meanwhile, you can almost smell Mr Chirac decomposing.

And, on the subject of capitalism, the ultimate obscenity of this summit is the presence of Mr Putin, the latest Russian autocrat. In so far as the G8 has rules for admission, it is that the members are capitalist democracies.

Russia is neither capitalist nor a democracy.

With a cowardice that does it no credit, the West refuses to condemn Putin's unpleasant habits, such as locking up his political opponents, stealing their money, abolishing regional elections and rigging national ones. He was invited to the G8 originally in rather the same spirit as the England selectors might include a young hopeful; but young hopefuls, if they fail to score sufficiently, get dropped. Putin should have been taught a lesson by being uninvited and replaced by China, which at least has the makings of a serious economy. Such is the example of venality and hypocrisy the leaders of the 'free' world set to the rest of a planet which is looking on with a mixture of awe, hope and despair.

Still, the shambles gives Mr Blair a chance to pretend he is head of state, to enjoy all his presidential-style trappings and security, and to engage in the hypocrisy of pretending he has always believed in the reformist policies he now espouses. He, too, can gloat that his own economy has, thanks to the weaknesses of others, not yet gone into the tank. He will no doubt, though, come out at the end of the summit and pretend that, under his leadership, the West has done something for Africa and, indeed, for all beleaguered nations. Sadly, by failing to realise or admit that the radical curatives must start much closer to home, there is in fact not the slightest chance that he and his temporary pals will achieve anything.

Re: Там имеется в ввиду

Date: 2005-07-13 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arbat.livejournal.com
Ну, он не только имел манию велчия. Он еще имел специальный план погашения кредитов... который, собственно, логично вытекал из этой мании величия. Для тех, кто не собирается расплачиваться с долгами путем большого грабежа - его способ вовсе не подходит.

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